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Hi Tina, Michael and everyone,

I’m forwarding some technical info on the TABE from the Mass. SABES
website (System for Adult Basic Education Support) which outlines the
Locator, when to re-test, testing tips, etc.  I’ve posted this before
but thought it would be useful given this discussion.  Go to:

The folks at UMass, Amherst’s Center for Educational Assessment helped
the state to hone in on some of the ‘hiccups’ if you will with TABE –
esp. the test/re-test timeframe.

Like Michael’s programs, here in MA we also avoid testing upon entry to
the program – pretty much for all the reasons Michael noted.  We go thru
an in-take process as well in order to gauge personal background,
experience, and particularly the student’s goals, and administer
program-made placement tests in order to determine generally which level
folks should be in.  I think the requirement here states that you
actually cannot administer the selected learning gains assessment until
something like 2 weeks after the start of the program (Mass. folks –
help me out on that bit if that’s not correct).  I believe the TABE
Locator counts as the program placement test as well (again, Mass
practitioners help me if I’m not quite right on this).

The other testing detail in this state is that although the NRS requires
only 2 test administrations (one at entry, one at exit), Mass. requires
3 – one at entry, one half-way thru the program year, one at exit.  We
do this for 2 reasons:  the first being that some students do not stay
the entire year, but have done a great deal of work.  If we don’t have
an exit score for them, they can’t be counted.  We can use the mid-year
administration as their final test score.  Also, for folks that do stay
the whole year, that’s a lot of time gone by without checking in to see
where one might have advanced, or where one might still need to be

How about other programs out there?  What’s your timeline like for
administering the tests and how does that affect your program?


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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:23 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: [NIFL-ASSESSMENT:1116] RE: Literacy needs

Hi Michael,
I agree with you that the reason our program will probably decide to
continue giving the TABE at intake is not only to locate the students
into curriculum as soon as possible, but also because we are likely to
get lower TABE scores from them when they are first entering the process
rather than later when they are back into school mode. 

Tina Luffman
Instructional Specialist, ABE-GED
Verde Valley Campus
634-6544 wrote: -----
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From: "Michael & Sunay Gyori" <>
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Date: 06/22/2005 02:41PM
Subject: [NIFL-ASSESSMENT:1113] RE: Literacy needs

Hi Tina,

If you need to demonstrate gains among a percentage of students being
and posttested, it's good to test them on intake, as you will likely get
lower scores than you would once they're comfortable. Under the Adult
Education & Family Literacy Act (AEFLA), students can receive up to 10
of instruction before they are tested. 


Michael A. Gyori, Educational Linguist
Language Development & Technology Director
Language and Literacy Resource Center
Hui Malama Learning Center, Inc.
375 Mahalani Street
Wailuku, Maui, Hawaii, 96793, U.S.A.

Tel: (808) 249-0111
Fax: (808) 249-0119


From: [] On
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:07 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: [NIFL-ASSESSMENT:1112] RE: Literacy needs

Hi Michael,

I agree with you that giving the TABE test on the first day of
is a discouragement for students. Because our funding requires that we
initially and then after a period of study, and then show educational
we feel it is necessary to maximize our potential for showing student
progress and maintaining our grant program by giving the exam first. I
see good rationale behind waiting a few weeks and having students begin
group lessons to create a community atmosphere, especially for those
with a
negative educational background. I will consider your ideas and find out
my program is willing to try this out.


Tina Luffman
Instructional Specialist, ABE-GED
Verde Valley Campus
634-6544!> < 


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