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Hello everyone,

The following post is from Nancy Hansen.  
marie

 
Nancy Hansen
Executive Director
Sioux Falls Area Literacy Council
sfallsliteracy@yahoo.com
605) 332-BOOK
.......................................................................
.................................................
Dear Michael and Tina et all,
 
I have a real problem with the value system that drives the process
that you both implement.  
 
I am a literacy provider who doesn't test the community-based
literacy-level registrants who come to us for help.  Instead I evaluate
their reading, writing and life skills.  I do not have GED students
either.  So perhaps that's where my philosophy goes off-to-the-left of
many instructors/administrators like you.
 
Michael commented << If you need to demonstrate gains among a percentage
of students being pre-and posttested, it's good to test them on intake,
as you will likely get lower scores than you would once they're
comfortable.>>
To which Tina replied <<I agree with you that the reason our program
will probably decide to continue giving the TABE at intake is
.. because we are likely to get lower TABE scores from them when they
are first entering ...>>
Have either of you considered the inhumanity behind your decision?  Have
either of you thought about the learners' self-image and what it does to
their confidence failing immediately at intake?  And all for the sake of
a number that can be placed in a report.  Where a post-test won't even
show a significant level change (much less 2 grade levels in literacy
level students.)
I get the literacy-level adults who are, for the sake of numbers, tested
like your learners are.  They come to our program from GED-prep programs
like yours where, after the student has been subjected to the above
process, leap/jump/flee ship !!!  They've come with their heads hung
low, thinking they cannot succeed in *this* program either.  I have even
had men and women (mostly men) say to me *directly*, "I must be dumber
than I thought I was because I couldn't even pass their TABE test."  
And they don't come immediately!  It can be months (up to a year) later
before they "dare" try again somewhere else.  It takes a very long time
for the Testing Wounds to heal after standardized, timed tests knock the
pins right out from under them.
I realize that funding drives *you* because testing is required by the
fed's.  And there may be a sensible reason to test GED students.  But do
all of the adult education entrants come wanting to achieve a GED and
enroll in classes to do so?  Don't you have men and women who want to
increase their personal capabilities and improve their life skills? 
Their needs are not being met by giving them a low score that they have
to raise in the post-testing timeframe.  
They know they've received a poor score.  And my belief is they hurt
because they are ashamed of that number their pracititioner has just
given them.  It's way more than "discouragement" as Michael puts it. 
It's a loss of self-esteem.
I feel so strongly that there needs to be a broad base of advocates who
value people more than numbers among those who have the power to change
the assessment systems in our adult education field.  Is that a
fantasy?  Must be.  There are more like you than like me who come here
to chat.
Nancy Hansen
Sioux Falls, SD

Tina_Luffman@yc.edu wrote:
Hi Michael,
 
I agree with you that the reason our program will probably decide to
continue giving the TABE at intake is not only to locate the students
into curriculum as soon as possible, but also because we are likely to
get lower TABE scores from them when they are first entering the process
rather than later when they are back into school mode. 
 
Tina




Tina Luffman
Instructional Specialist, ABE-GED
Verde Valley Campus
634-6544
tina_luffman@yc.edu

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From: "Michael & Sunay Gyori" <michaelsunay@hawaii.rr.com>
Sent by: nifl-assessment@nifl.gov
Date: 06/22/2005 02:41PM
Subject: [NIFL-ASSESSMENT:1113] RE: Literacy needs

Hi Tina,

If you need to demonstrate gains among a percentage of students being
pre-
and posttested, it's good to test them on intake, as you will likely get
lower scores than you would once they're comfortable. Under the Adult
Education & Family Literacy Act (AEFLA), students can receive up to 10
hours
of instruction before they are tested. 

Michael

Michael A. Gyori, Educational Linguist
Language Development & Technology Director
Language and Literacy Resource Center
Hui Malama Learning Center, Inc.
375 Mahalani Street
Wailuku, Maui, Hawaii, 96793, U.S.A.

Tel: (808) 249-0111
Fax: (808) 249-0119
E-mail: michael.gyori@huimalama.org
Website: www.huimalama.org http://www.huimalama.org/>  

________________________________

From: nifl-assessment@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-assessment@nifl.gov] On
Behalf
Of Tina_Luffman@yc.edu
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:07 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: [NIFL-ASSESSMENT:1112] RE: Literacy needs


Hi Michael,

I agree with you that giving the TABE test on the first day of
orientation
is a discouragement for students. Because our funding requires that we
test
initially and then after a period of study, and then show educational
gains,
we feel it is necessary to maximize our potential for showing student
progress and maintaining our grant program by giving the exam first. I
can
see good rationale behind waiting a few weeks and having students begin
with
group lessons to create a community atmosphere, especially for those
with a
negative educational background. I will consider your ideas and find out
if
my program is willing to try this out.


Tina





Tina Luffman
Instructional Specialist, ABE-GED
Verde Valley Campus
634-6544
tina_luffman@yc.edu! mailto:tina_luffman@yc.edu> < 

    
            



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