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Return-Path: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id j971KJG21594; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4CFDD6B88B634C409A76C0F44B3509BE02E6C8CC@ex01.sfcc.edu> Errors-To: email@example.com Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org Originator: email@example.com Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org Precedence: bulk From: "Gustav Kocsis" <email@example.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: [NIFL-ASSESSMENT:1265] RE: FW: [NIFL-TECHNOLOGY:3792] Re: Computer assessment and adult learners X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; Status: O Content-Length: 4048 Lines: 127 We would like to see a good and easy to score paper and pencil test for our ESL students. We are now using the CASAS and we are finding that the CASAS tests are not useful to use to asses an ESL student's language ability. We have to register too many students at one time to be able to use computer testing such as the BEST PLUS. Many of our students are not very skilled with computers and a computer based test might not truly reflect the student's English skills. I know of many other large programs that would be interested in a valid and reliable paper and pencil ESL test for NRS reporting. Is there anything else out there that is better than CASAS? Gustav A. Kocsis English as a Second Language Coordinator Adult Basic Education Santa Fe Community College 6401 Richards Ave Santa Fe, NM 87508 505-428-1444 Gkocsis@sfccnm.edu -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Marie Cora Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 1:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [NIFL-ASSESSMENT:1264] FW: [NIFL-TECHNOLOGY:3792] Re: Computer assessment and adult learners -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of email@example.com Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 1:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [NIFL-TECHNOLOGY:3792] Re: Computer assessment and adult learners If the purpose is also to assess their computer skills, I could see assessing via a computer. However, if a student has virtually no computer experience, as many of the older immigrants who are in our program do not have, I can not imagine adding this layer on to what is really trying to be assessed. -- Ruthann Duffy ESL Tech Coordinator Essential Skills Program Shoreline Community College 16101 Greenwood Ave N. Seattle, WA 98133 Telephone: 206-533-6624 email: firstname.lastname@example.org http://success.shore.ctc.edu/callab > Hi everyone, > > I wanted to prod you all to add your thoughts to Nancy's questions from > the other day regarding testing via computers in ABE/ESOL. What are > your thoughts, and what have been your experiences on this? > > I have done a little bit of work using the BEST Plus with adult learners > - but in that case, it is the teacher/test administrator who actually is > using the computer and asking questions of the test-taker. As an aside, > the great thing about this type of computer testing is that the software > program automatically stops you when the student has reached as far as > they can go, and it also jumps over questions that it realizes the > student will have no problem answering. Thus, you avoid the unnecessary > and sometimes painful process of forcing students to answer way too easy > questions, for example. > > But! This is not the situation Nancy is describing here - so do folks > have thoughts on adult students personally using a computer for > assessment purposes? I am also sending this reply to the > NIFL-Technology List to see if folks over there have something to > contribute to this discussion. > > Thanks! > marie > > marie cora > Moderator, NIFL Assessment Discussion List, and > Coordinator/Developer > LINCS Assessment Special Collection at > http://literacy.kent.edu/Midwest/assessment/ > > email@example.com > > > > On Wed 10/5/2005, Nancy Hansen wrote: > > I also have a question to those who test using > > computers: Do you find the skills of the learner > > who > > has had next to NO exposure to computers and LITTLE > > literacy skills are accurately being portrayed via > > this style testing? > > > > I have men and women in our adult literacy program > > who > > had never sat down at a computer - much less used a > > mouse before. I cannot imagine that their extensive > > life skills would be evaluated appropriately when > > they > > hit and miss at the computer - sometimes even > > striking > > incorrect keys. > > > > Nancy Hansen > > Sioux Falls Area Literacy Council > > firstname.lastname@example.org > > > >
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