# [Numeracy 443] Re: New Ideas

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Chip Burkitt chip.burkitt at orderingchaos.com
Fri Jul 30 16:40:59 EDT 2010

No, Margaret, you are right. It takes 101 days for 5 geese to lay 1
egg, so on average, it would take one goose 5 times as long or 505 days.
Instead of (55 / 5) = 11 followed by (5555 / 11) = 505, you did (5555 /
55) = 101 followed by (101 * 5) = 505. The basic insight is that one
goose takes 5 times as long as 5 geese to lay the same amount of eggs.

Chip Burkitt

On 7/30/2010 2:01 PM, Margaret Rogers wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Remember I come from the math ed side, so usually just start with

> logical thinking rather than the pure mathematics. I divided 5555/55

> and got 101 as the average time it takes to get an egg. Since there

> are five geese at work, I then multiplied by 5 and got 505. But now

> that I read the question about a single goose, I might have just

> lucked out on the answer - mathematicians advise. In any case, these

> geese are really slow to reproduce : >)

>

> I, too, thought immediately about the problems with a hen and a half....

>

> Even if I was off base, I really love this stuff!

>

> Margaret Rogers

>

>

>

> On Jul 30, 2010, at 4:32 AM, Chip Burkitt wrote:

>

>> Five geese lay 55 eggs in 5555 days. One-fifth as many geese will lay

>> one-fifth as many eggs in the same amount of time. Therefore, one

>> goose will lay 11 eggs in 5555 days. On average, the goose lays an

>> egg every (5555 / 11) = 505 days. This type of problem is confusing

>> because it contains two rates: eggs per day, and eggs per goose. It

>> is reminiscent of the old puzzler that goes: "If a chicken and a half

>> lays an egg and a half in a day and a half, how many eggs will 30

>> chickens lay in 30 days?" The key to solving such problems is to keep

>> the rates separate. This one is also slightly different because we

>> are actually interested in how many days it takes to get one egg

>> rather than how many eggs per day.

>>

>> On 7/29/2010 1:29 PM, Istas, Brooke wrote:

>>> Good Job Chip!!! 505 is the answer. Will you walk us through how

>>> you solve this?? Of course there are many ways to do this...but if

>>> you would explain your method to the group that would be great!!!

>>> -Brooke

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>> *From:* Chip Burkitt [mailto:chip.burkitt at orderingchaos.com]

>>> *Sent:* Thu 7/29/2010 12:52 PM

>>> *To:* numeracy at nifl.gov

>>> *Subject:* Re: [Numeracy 432] Re: New Ideas

>>>

>>> Sorry, not 20 but 505.

>>>

>>> On 7/29/2010 10:25 AM, Jacqueline Kiefer wrote:

>>>>

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>>>> *From:* numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov

>>>> [mailto:numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov] *On Behalf Of *Nance Munderloh

>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:42 AM

>>>> *To:* The Math and Numeracy Discussion List

>>>> *Subject:* [Numeracy 430] Re: New Ideas

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Hey Brooke,

>>>>

>>>> Married life is making you bold! I appreciate the discussions,

>>>> and, although I am not a regular contributor, I have gained new

>>>> insights from peers and implemented many suggestions into

>>>> professional development for staff and “beefed up” curriculum and

>>>> lesson plans locally. Looking forward to another year of peer

>>>> discussion.

>>>>

>>>> Nance Munderloh

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> *From:* numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov

>>>> <mailto:numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov>

>>>> [mailto:numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov

>>>> <mailto:numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov>] *On Behalf Of *Istas, Brooke

>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:36 AM

>>>> *To:* numeracy at nifl.gov <mailto:numeracy at nifl.gov>

>>>> *Subject:* [Numeracy 429] New Ideas

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Good Day Everyone!

>>>>

>>>>

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>>>>

>>>> With that, here is a math challenge that was posted on Twitter:

>>>>

>>>> "5 geese in a gaggle produce 55 eggs in 5555 days. What is the avg.

>>>> # of days it takes a single goose to lay an egg?"

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Have a great day and let's talk!

>>>>

>>>> Brooke Istas

>>>>

>>>>

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