[Numeracy 446] Re: New Ideas

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Chip Burkitt chip.burkitt at orderingchaos.com
Sat Jul 31 07:27:37 EDT 2010


I think it pokes fun at the perceived nonsense of many word problems,
so contrived, so utterly meaningless to the students who have to try and
make sense of them in a way that leads to a solution.

On 7/30/2010 10:14 PM, Kate Nonesuch wrote:

> I don't think there was a punch line--as I remember it (from many years ago) it seemed a rhetorical question.

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> I remember it, though, because it reminds me that even when the problem has numbers, the solution may be dependent on some non-mathematical factor.

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> For example, those "real life" problems that ask students to figure out the "best buy." E.g., "A quart of milk costs $1.89 and a gallon costs $6.25. What is the best buy?"

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> A student who only has $5.00 and has to buy a loaf of bread, too, will have a different correct answer than a teacher with $50.00 in his pocket.

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> (And I'm sorry if the costs don't seem right--I don't know how much milk costs in the USA and it's been a long time since I bought my milk in any size but litres!)

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> Kate Nonesuch

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> From: numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov on behalf of Sherwood, Laura

> Sent: Fri 7/30/2010 11:46 AM

> To: The Math and Numeracy Discussion List

> Subject: [Numeracy 441] Re: New Ideas

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> Kate -

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> Ok, so what's the punch line?

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> From: numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Kate Nonesuch

> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:43 AM

> To: chip.burkitt at orderingchaos.com; The Math and Numeracy Discussion List

> Subject: RE: [Numeracy 438] Re: New Ideas

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> Chip, you reminded me of the old joke from Even Cowgirls Get the Blues: "If a hen and a half lays an egg and a half in a day and a half, how long will it take a monkey with a wooden leg to kick the seeds out of a dill pickle?"

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> Kate Nonesuch

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> From: numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov on behalf of Chip Burkitt

> Sent: Fri 7/30/2010 4:32 AM

> To: numeracy at nifl.gov

> Subject: [Numeracy 438] Re: New Ideas

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> Five geese lay 55 eggs in 5555 days. One-fifth as many geese will lay one-fifth as many eggs in the same amount of time. Therefore, one goose will lay 11 eggs in 5555 days. On average, the goose lays an egg every (5555 / 11) = 505 days. This type of problem is confusing because it contains two rates: eggs per day, and eggs per goose. It is reminiscent of the old puzzler that goes: "If a chicken and a half lays an egg and a half in a day and a half, how many eggs will 30 chickens lay in 30 days?" The key to solving such problems is to keep the rates separate. This one is also slightly different because we are actually interested in how many days it takes to get one egg rather than how many eggs per day.

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> On 7/29/2010 1:29 PM, Istas, Brooke wrote:

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> Good Job Chip!!! 505 is the answer. Will you walk us through how you solve this?? Of course there are many ways to do this...but if you would explain your method to the group that would be great!!!

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> From: Chip Burkitt [mailto:chip.burkitt at orderingchaos.com]

> Sent: Thu 7/29/2010 12:52 PM

> To: numeracy at nifl.gov

> Subject: Re: [Numeracy 432] Re: New Ideas

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> Sorry, not 20 but 505.

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> On 7/29/2010 10:25 AM, Jacqueline Kiefer wrote:

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> From: numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Nance Munderloh

> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:42 AM

> To: The Math and Numeracy Discussion List

> Subject: [Numeracy 430] Re: New Ideas

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> Hey Brooke,

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> Married life is making you bold! I appreciate the discussions, and, although I am not a regular contributor, I have gained new insights from peers and implemented many suggestions into professional development for staff and "beefed up" curriculum and lesson plans locally. Looking forward to another year of peer discussion.

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> From: numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Istas, Brooke

> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:36 AM

> To: numeracy at nifl.gov

> Subject: [Numeracy 429] New Ideas

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> With that, here is a math challenge that was posted on Twitter:

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> "5 geese in a gaggle produce 55 eggs in 5555 days. What is the avg. # of days it takes a single goose to lay an egg?"

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> Have a great day and let's talk!

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