[Numeracy 395] Re: [SPAM] - Re: Transitioning from GED to Post-Secondary Ed - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses

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Sharon Shoemaker sharon_shoemaker at indep.k12.mo.us
Thu Jun 17 10:08:57 EDT 2010


Some of our students want to go to college. They are capable. Unfortunately, we are the "one room school house" and must accommodate students headed for college, tech school, or simply a job.

I think many Adult Education teachers deal with motivating students to learn. If you have few hours, it becomes worse.

I "play at learning" with my students. For some reason, integers click for most students when I use positive and negative number die. We researched Greece and did projects -even my non-reader made a poster. We closed the social studies unit with a Greek pot luck dinner. Yes, we researched Greek food for the dinner. Three of my students couldn't get Algebra until I placed the problems on laminated cards and worked on marker boards with them. Whatever it takes! They love to come. They succeed faster and some of them want to study Algebra 2 and beyond. Those who don't want to don't have to. We are all individuals. Each of our talents is important to society. The teacher keeps his/her ears and eyes open to what the students need.

I was at an ELL/Civics training in the spring and one of the trainers mentioned that we can open pathways in the brain through a relaxed classroom. People learn better when they are happy. I realized why "playing" while learning works. They are relaxed and the teacher is modeling the joy of learning. More students want to stay. More students succeed. If they find that they can go to college, etc., they will want to.

Even ½ hour of active or group learning during a 2 or 3 hour class session will show results.


Sharon L. Shoemaker

Literacy Coordinator

Independence Adult Education

600 W Mechanic

Independence, MO 64050


Six essential qualities that are the key to success: Sincerity, personal integrity, humility, courtesy, wisdom, kindness. William Menninger

From: numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Steven Ewert
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:59 PM
To: The Math and Numeracy Discussion List
Subject: [SPAM] - [Numeracy 390] Re: Transitioning from GED to Post-Secondary Ed - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses

I have been following this discussion with a lot of interest and wondering how not only can we find the time to do more, but how can we motivate the students to do more. (There has been a similar discussion on the Writing list serve.) The reason I add the issue of motivating students to do more is that often when students feel they can pass the test, at our school, they can go sign up. Most of the students just want to pass the test and then will worry about what may be coming up next. Not nearly all my students go on to further academic education. They need the GED for work, to get jobs or small promotions at their jobs. Some will go on to vocational training and the GED prepares most of them adequately for the requirements in their training.

If the students are sponsored by a program (get their books and testing fees paid for) they may need the teacher's permission to test. But, then again, the program is only interested in the student passing the GED and appears to not be concerned about what he or she may need after getting the GED. So as soon as the student demonstrates the ability to pass the GED on the practice tests, sometimes with minimal scores, off he or she goes to testing.

Another issue I deal with is that my classes are open entry/open exit, with a fairly active revolving door. I spend a lot of time remediating basic skills. I love it when I can teach geometry (very basic) or algebra (really intro to algebra), but I rarely get to spend as much time with either of those components as I would like.

So, I deal with guilt, knowing I haven't prepared my college bound students as adequately as I would like. Nothing will change until the GED test changes to require a level of proficiency required for entering college.

An aside. I don't know if anyone has addressed this, and please correct me if I am wrong, but I was told that the GED was meant to prepare people for the world of work, not necessarily college. As a result, the GED was written to incorporate people's work experience to help them pass the test. They wanted to recognize that many of our students have learned much from work situations and that learning needed to be validated.

Steven Ewert

Fresno Adult School


From: numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov [numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Sherwood, Laura [LSherwood at CLCILLINOIS.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:32 AM
To: The Math and Numeracy Discussion List
Subject: [Numeracy 383] Re: Transitioning from GED to Post-Secondary Ed

I think that anytime we are teaching students "to the test" we will not be adequately addressing the needs of being successful in postsecondary education. How can we do it all in six hours/week?

Laura E. Sherwood

Literacy Coordinator

Adult Education

College of Lake County

Grayslake, IL 60030


lsherwood at clcillinois.edu

"Their story, yours, mine - it's what we all carry with us on this trip we take, and we owe it to each other to respect our stories and learn from them." William Carlos Williams

From: numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Dianna Baycich
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:14 PM
To: 'The Math and Numeracy Discussion List'
Subject: [Numeracy 382] Re: Transitioning from GED to Post-Secondary Ed

I would like to hear what folks think are barriers, too. I'm more of a reading and writing person and I would like to see the similarities and differences with math. One thing I see for writing is that GED teachers tend to teach students how to write a very formulaic 5 paragraph essay as a way to pass the essay portion of the GED test. Unfortunately, this in no way prepares them for the writing tasks they will be expected to do in postsecondary education. Are similar things happening in math? Or are the barriers different?


From: numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:numeracy-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Denney, Brooke
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 11:08 AM
To: numeracy at nifl.gov
Subject: [Numeracy 380] Transitioning from GED to Post-Secondary Ed

Hello Everyone!

I just finished presenting at the Louisiana Adult Education Conference where I spoke about transitioning from GED to PSE. But after speaking with many of their wonderful instructors, staffers, administrators, etc. about barriers, it dawned on me that perhaps the discussion list should discuss the barriers that our learners face, the barriers that our instructors face, and how might we try to overcome them? How can we prepare our learners for the world of higher education? I can't wait to hear what everyone thinks!!

Also, I wanted to WELCOME all the new members we have to the list!! I encourage you to post a brief introduction about yourself and tell us what you hope to gain from being apart of this list. If anyone has questions or concerns please feel free to contact me off list at denneyb at cowley.edu.

All my best to everyone,

Brooke Denney, Moderator

Math & Numeracy List

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