# [Numeracy 473] Re: Puzzle/Thought of the Day

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Chip Burkitt chip.burkitt at orderingchaos.com
Thu Aug 5 20:29:26 EDT 2010

Your answer is correct. 841 is 29 x 29. Since 29 is a prime number,
there are no other possible factors of 841 (except 841 and 1, as you
noted). 29 cents requires 4 pennies and a coin that ends in 5, i. e.,
either a nickel or a quarter. If a quarter, then you would have only 5
coins. Therefore, it must be a nickel. The remaining 20 cents must be
made up of 4 coins, none of them pennies. No combination of nickels and
dimes will work except 4 nickels and no dimes.

Chip Burkitt

On 8/5/2010 1:26 PM, Mark.Trushkowsky at mail.cuny.edu wrote:

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> This one was tricky for me.

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> At first, I wasn't sure if the question could be answered without

> knowing the number of people in the group, until I figured that was

> probably part of the puzzle. I tried dividing \$8.41 by possible

> numbers of people in the group and didn't find any numbers that went

> into \$8.41 evenly until I got to 29 people. If there were 29 people,

> that would mean they each paid .29 cents. After some trial and error

> with dimes, nickels and pennies, I realized the only way to get that

> amount with nine coins is with 5 nickels and 4 pennies. So the answer

> is the driver received no dimes. I'm pretty sure my answer is

> correct. But what I am assuming is that there are no other numerical

> possibilities between 29 and 841that would divide evenly into \$8.41.

> There clearly are not 841 people on the bus, because that would mean

> they all paid a penny and would not meet the 9 coin requirement. I am

> assuming because it works with 29 people that there are no other

> combinations that satisfy both the # of people and # of coins.

>

> As for your question about on-line numeracy education, I am very

> interested in your findings, because I find community college remedial

> math classes to be a buzz with computer programs that seem to make

> certain aspects of management easier for the professors, but leave

> students to do math in further and further isolation.

>

> Mark

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> Hello All!

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> I have been working with my director on designing a research project

> that will show quantitatively that Adult Educators know how to teach

> and retain development math (numeracy) students who are not college

> ready better than an on-line program. While I love the on-line math

> program that is used by our mathematics department, I believe that

> low-level learners need to build self-confidence, deal with their

> emotions, and build connectivity. I am interested in what my

> colleagues think and feel about on-line numeracy education. Can it be

> done?

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> Have a great day!

> Brooke Istas

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> Thursday Puzzle:

> John and a group of his friends took a bus trip. Each person paid the

> bus driver with the same combination of 9 coins. If the bus driver

> received \$8.41 from the group, how many dimes did he receive?

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